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Message: [QUOTE="xc84, post: 1193462, member: 1526"] Yes, that's what I am saying. You need to factor in the loss of recruits and continuity when coaches are fired or leave. Don't cherry pick years. Marrone was 4-8 his first year and 5-7 his third year. His 8-5 last year was part of rebuilding and by no means a sign that he was close to consistent winning. He was rebuilding. Then he left. His best recruits de-committed. All this followed a coach who averaged 2.5 wins per year for 4 years. It took Mac 7 years to rebuild and he was able to do it without the disruption of coaching changes. [/QUOTE]