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Message: [QUOTE="Scooch, post: 1080792, member: 628"] Did you mean 1973? Because SU certainly won more than 6 games multiple times from 1985-2004. And not for nothing, but attendance in the 80s until the magical '87 season was was about 38K. So that's great that your father had fun at the games with his buddies, and about the same amount of people do that today to follow a similarly mediocre program. I'm not clear on the point you're trying to make. Again, I'll sincerely ask you or anyone to provide one example where a mediocre college or pro team generated large, [I]sustained[/I] increases in attendance without [I]meaningfully[/I] improving their on field or on court performance. CNYers are not immune to the general scope of human behavior. You can't market them into passion, it doesn't work that way. [/QUOTE]