Guard FG%

[Cuse_MN]

3pt fg%
BT - 41.4%
Dion - 36.2%
Scoop - 30.0%
MCW - 25.0%

2pt fg%
Scoop - 63.6%
Dion - 60.2%
BT - 45.6%
MCW - 42.4%

Total fg%
Dion - 53.5%
Scoop - 52.1%
BT - 43.6%
MCW - 37.8%

The 2pt% for Scoop and Dion is blazing. RJ shot 59% last year from the center position. The easy answer is our guards are getting a lot of fast break points, but then why isn't Brandon able to get the same points? Doesn't jive. Not trying to knock BT, but these numbers would seem to indicate Scoop and Dion are just better at creating their own shots, getting to the rack and finishing. College is a guard dominated game driven by the ability to break down defenders and get to the hoop for easy buckets. We surely need BT's three point shooting, but we have two guards who are killing it from inside the arc through 18 games.

2pt% for a few other BE guards
Lamb - 61.9%
Nappier - 45.6%
Gibbs - 41.1%
Clark - 59.6%
DJO - 49.1%
Council - 45.8%

 

[jordoo]

As Dion continues to take good 3's I think his percentage could rise a tad bit more. He usually takes 1 a game that he has almost no chance to make just because its a bad shot. Last night he took one from 2-3' behind the NBA line. Dion is only going to get better.

 

[SoBristol]

Bing, Pearl, Sherm, et al might debate the point

Add Flynn to that list. Two of our current coaches (Sims & Autry) had a good season or two as well.
But it really says something about Dion when announcers put him with the top guards currently playing, and when posters make comparisons to our guys who have their numbers in the rafters.
What more can Dion do? Win a BET (GMac). Make a Final Four (Sherm).
Lift his assist average.

 

[longtimefan]

...And to think most of you wanted him gone last yr. Fun.

It has been widely reported that JB wanted him gone, too.

 

[SoBristol]

It has been widely reported that JB wanted him gone, too.

I suspect that means JB wanted him gone or changed, take your pick. For sure, JB knew Dion was a talent.

 

[SBU72]

college basketball is about efficiency. All very impressive.

I dont think DW is shooting 36% from the three, but if he is and he can keep it up, he is the best guard in SU history.

...And to think most of you wanted him gone last yr. Fun.

17 for 47 = 36.17% look it up! Just like BT is 29 for 70 = 41%. Now that has to be history. 37% for his career no less.

 

[SaintTristan]

Bing, Pearl, Sherm, et al might debate the point

Bing? It was a different game back then. DW is 30X the athelete. it would be embarrassing.

It has been widely reported that JB wanted him gone, too.

Then he'd be gone. JB was likely motivating him.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

The easy answer is our guards are getting a lot of fast break points, but then why isn't Brandon able to get the same points? Doesn't jive. Not trying to knock BT, but these numbers would seem to indicate Scoop and Dion are just better at creating their own shots, getting to the rack and finishing.

Do you watch the games?

Triche takes exponentially more mid-range jump shots (inside the arc) when compared to Dion and Scoop.

When it comes to the cousins, if they're not shooting threes, they're going to the rack - And doing it extremely well.

To your point, DW and SJ are indeed better at creating their own shots and getting to the rack... BUT, Triche has a better mid-range game.

So with Triche taking more 12-18 footers than the other two guys combined, this hurts BT's 2 point FG % when compared to the (arguably) two best "drivers" on the same 'Cuse team in more than two decades. (Billy Owens & Sherman Douglas in 1988-89)

 

[Cuse_MN]

>>Do you watch the games?

Triche takes exponentially more mid-range jump shots (inside the arc) when compared to Dion and Scoop.>>

Please point me to where I said anything to the contrary. By stating Scoop and Dion are getting more easy shots/layups by driving, aren't I implying Brandon is taking more mid-range 2's?

I said Scoop and Dion are better drivers than BT, I didn't say they are better mid range shooters. You made that huge leap.

Despite not saying it previously, I'd disagree that BT is a better mid-range shooter than Dion. Dion has hit a lot of jumpers inside the arc this year.

I haven't missed a single second of 18 games this year (well maybe to grab a beer or something), so yes I've watched the games.

 

[SaintTristan]

Do you watch the games?

Triche takes exponentially more mid-range jump shots (inside the arc) when compared to Dion and Scoop.

just curious - how many mid range jumpers do you think Triche takes per game...?

 

[OttosBestFriend]

just curious - how many mid range jumpers do you think Triche takes per game...?

My best guess is that 2 or 3 of BT's 8 shots per game are non-layups inside the arc.

Multiply that by 18 games and we're talking 36 to 54 non-layup two point shots.

Dion and Scoop combined don't have that many non-layup 2 pt FG attempts.

Again, this is a "guestimate," but I'd assume it's pretty close to spot on.

 

[jordoo]

Dion's 2pt% is beefed up a bit by dunks and layups but he has had to have hit 10 or so jumpers from inside the arc this season. Plus he has really gotten that floater going which is no easy shot and makes him almost impossible to stop.

He is the best at creating his own shot that we have and he can hurt you from all over the court.

 

[Cuse_MN]

My best guess is that 2 or 3 of BT's 8 shots per game are non-layups inside the arc.

Multiply that by 18 games and we're talking 36 to 54 non-layup two point shots.

Dion and Scoop combined don't have that many non-layup 2 pt FG attempts.

Again, this is a "guestimate," but I'd assume it's pretty close to spot on.

Why guesstimate?

BT shoots 4.4 shots inside the arc per game vs Dion's 6.8

Using your own stated "spot on" 3 non-layups inside the arc for BT and assuming both are hitting at a similar 75% of their layups, you can back into how many of Dion's 2 point shots are non-layups at an equivalent 2-point percentage. So based on your numbers and my assumption on layup %, it means 68% of BT's non-layup shots inside the arc vs 35% for Dion. You have to think the percentage are even further apart than that to make an argument based on actual math rather than perception that BT is a better non-layup 2-point shooter than Dion. NFW.

 

[Vitamin G]

Why guesstimate?

BT shoots 4.4 shots inside the arc per game vs Dion's 6.8

Using your own stated "spot on" 3 non-layups inside the arc for BT and assuming both are hitting at a similar 75% of their layups, you can back into how many of Dion's 2 point shots are non-layups at an equivalent 2-point percentage. So based on your numbers and my assumption on layup %, it means 68% of BT's non-layup shots inside the arc vs 35% for Dion. You have to think the percentage are even further apart than that to make an argument based on actual math rather than perception that BT is a better non-layup 2-point shooter than Dion. NFW.[/quote

Makes no difference because Dion has way more star potential that BT. DW takes over games and has been very consistent. He is a very good 2 pt shooter and no one can stop him from getting to the basket. BT has all kinds of skills and has played good games but always seems to not want to be the star. I like BT and he can hit 2 or 3 pt very well but he will always be a role player.IMO

 

[longtimefan]

Bing? It was a different game back then. DW is 30X the athelete. it would be embarrassing.



Then he'd be gone. JB was likely motivating him.

I don't know what happened over the off season to change JB's mind, but, according to Tim Welsh (quoting JB on SNY), the coach didn't want him back.

 

[br801]

Why guesstimate?

BT shoots 4.4 shots inside the arc per game vs Dion's 6.8

Using your own stated "spot on" 3 non-layups inside the arc for BT and assuming both are hitting at a similar 75% of their layups, you can back into how many of Dion's 2 point shots are non-layups at an equivalent 2-point percentage. So based on your numbers and my assumption on layup %, it means 68% of BT's non-layup shots inside the arc vs 35% for Dion. You have to think the percentage are even further apart than that to make an argument based on actual math rather than perception that BT is a better non-layup 2-point shooter than Dion. NFW.

If you look at True Shooting Percentage (which is a combined measure of 2-point, 3-point and free throw shooting efficiency) you'll see that all three of these guys are really close and all three have been really good this season:

Waiters 61.1%​

Jardine 57.4%​

Triche 57.2%​