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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 407604, member: 837"] I'd say Shafer is pretty proven. Of course, I've been all in on him from day 1 so perhaps I'm not the best source here. But he had two really good seasons and last year he helped piece together a defense that hung in there despite very little depth, some key injuries, and a ton of young players (especially at LB). This year has had some frustrating moments -- NW late was disappointing, L'ville not his finest moment, Cincy was ugly. But even with all that, we win NW if we're not atrocious on specials and we did enough to still manage to beat L'ville handily. We could very easily be making a pretty serious run at 7 regular season wins. I'm not really sure, unless you're talking about a truly elite defensive guy, that we can argue much with what he's done in four years. [/QUOTE]