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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 2825707, member: 1969"] He did play his best in the 80s which was much more of a defensive ERA than anything since then (except for 1987). But WAR stabilizes for era, and his career WAR of 38.7 is very underwhelming. He was a mild elite star for about 4 years, where he was 9th to 20th in MVP voting with Chicago from 1982-1085. But that was it... he needed to have a longer sustained period at that level or a much higher peak. Not even close to a hall of famer. Who is next? Julio Franco? Al Oliver has a better case for long time fans (he has a special place in my heart as "Scoop", as 1982 is when I really started to get into baseball and he won the batting title with the Expos. Oliver had 2743 hits over 18 years, was in the top 10 in MVP voting 3 times, and in the top 16 8 times. Also had a WAR of 44. Not saying either deserves to be in, but Al was much more deserving than him. [/QUOTE]