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Message: [QUOTE="All4SU, post: 201487, member: 381"] Absolutely not. But, I am suggesting that the conference failed on an epic level in not convincing their basketball partners that Penn State needed to be admitted to the conference in the late 80s, prior to their bolt to the B10. Do that, and Miami, VT, WVU, SU, Pitt and BC are probably all still BE members. That was the first domino. Bringing in Miami, VT were good moves. With a solid FB conference, the BE could have been more of a selector -- letting a school like USF develop as a program before bringing them in. Certainly not having to resort to going across country to bring in San Diego State or Boise or SMU. They had the chance to create a real all-sports conference, and failed leadership let that opportunity slip away. I agree they have done the best they can with what they've got. But they lost everyone of importance. And that is not a good thing. [/QUOTE]