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Message: [QUOTE="OrangePA, post: 201516, member: 204"] Oh please. I have never heard the same story told about why Penn State didn't join the BE thirty years ago. One story from Paterno, one story from Jake, and other stories from others. Suggesting that what we have seen over the last eight years - including situatins involving teams that were not even on the radar screen in 1980 - Miami and Va Tech - is responsible for what has now happening is I think very unfair and wholly without merit. The SW Conference in 1980 was one of the great all sports conferences and certainly a great football conference. And by 1996 it was gone. I think your hindsight is 20-5 and that kind of ability to see is just not realistic. [/QUOTE]