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Message: [QUOTE="K Otto XLIV, post: 1516912"] The reason we had 3 was because we had a mash unit all year and a bozo OC. We weren't a 3-9 team. Shafer needs to show he can beat a decent team. He needs something to hang his hat on. Going 4-8 by beating NC State or BC does not achieve that, 5-7 would IMO as you are just missing out on a Bowl. Using FEI 2015 one win in top half of FBS #57 CMU 2014 none 2013 one win #55 Minny Using S&P+ 2015 none 2014 none 2013 one win #51 BC Using Sagarin 2015 none 2014 none 2013 two wins #64 BC & #58 Minny Using those three ranking we have not beaten a consensus top half of FBS team (currently 128 teams). His best win to date is either beating BC at home on the last play of the game or beating Minny in the same fashion in a Bowl game. [/QUOTE]