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Message: [QUOTE="qdawgg, post: 1531037, member: 52"] I wanted to start my own thread but we don't need a million of the same thread and your point I think goes along with my biggest concern the last 3 - 4 games... We are not beating quality teams at all since Shafer has been the HC. Many people have mentioned the record vs. top 25 teams and vs FCS. It's not good at all. Even a coach that is making improvements; despite injuries and youth that other teams in the country seem to be able to deal with, should be able to beat some teams that we like to tout on here "as being winnable games". If our recruiting is improving regardless of how young the team is (NCstate is more competitive with a young or younger team) than the coaching isn't where it should be. OR, the recruiting is exactly where all the sites list it, which is on the bottom of the ACC. [/QUOTE]