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Message: [QUOTE="senorpalmer, post: 141896, member: 234"] We will never know what would have happened had the league stayed intact. We do know that the Big East in its 16 team format was quite strong overall in its first 6 years, while the ACC has been pretty awful in that same span. We also know that the shaking up had very little to do with bball. As for the current state of things this year, the BE doesn't quite look like what we've been accustomed to in recent years and yet it still looks stronger than the ACC. Exclude SU nad Pitt from the discussion--the ACC has the better teams in the top 2 (tho Id argue not by much, UCon and Lville are no slouches from year to year)...go thru thext 6 to 8 teams in each league, I mean its still no contest, the BE programs are better by a lot. You mention a program like Marquette, they were solid before coming to the Big East, its a bit presumptuous to assume they will now whither up and die. [/QUOTE]