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[QUOTE="Ward, post: 1729912, member: 1958"]
Well the Butler loss I specifically cited injuries causing for factors out of the coach's control so not sure why you included that one. Even if you do want to include it, in hindsight that upset isn't really as crazy as once thought. Butler had more pros and a head coach who arguably is the hottest name in basketball regardless of level right now.

Admittedly, I'm relatively younger so don't have great context around some of the losses mentioned but I'm not sure you understand the point I was making. Obviously each coach is going to have years where upsets happen. Izzo was upset this year and underachieved in the tournament but his overall body of work and the numerous times he's overachieved tend to outweigh that. There are people who probably do think JB underachieves and probably can give some good arguments as to why. I don't know what that has to do with my post. Do you think JB is an underachiever?

Roy and Calipari have had teams that underachieved and I don't really recall them having many teams that overachieved. They can still be good coaches but reality is they haven't been able to maximize talent that has been on their teams and the times they did win titles their teams did not win because of great coaching but superior talent. Which you have to give them credit for because they brought it in and is part of what makes them a good coach.
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