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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 1730299, member: 2585"] (I knew this would get bogged down in examples.) This is how it's always been. On one side you have a dial with "recruiting/best players" and the other you have "great coaching" (and maybe a third smaller one entitled "luck?"). Coaches who have the best player dial cranked to ten and the great coaching dial sitting at 7, will get labeled as underachieving. While the coaches who have the reversed will get more credit as coaches, but will win less. The guys who have both cranked to 10 are revered: Pop, Phil Jackson (THE COACH), K, Geno A., etc. Cal, Williams, Self - are not on that line. They are underachieving relative to their talent. (I'll give you K). [/QUOTE]