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[QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 110594, member: 363"]
This says it all. How could a reasonable person possibly come to this conclusion? You are apparently ignoring wins, scoring, yardage...

What measures do you use to determine the quality of a program? Earrings, facial hair and thud factor?

That being said, year four is a big one for DM. A bowl game is a must.[/quote]

progress from the worst BCS team in the country, to probably the 2nd or 3rd, if you are looking at the world through orange colored glasses, isn't real progress. Like Bees said, if you are student, and you went from a 40 to a 50 average, is that progress? I guess, is it real progress, positive progress? I don't know. where is the recruiting progress?

I use Doug's record versus our peers as real progress? What is that record, what is his record in conference? Where is that progress, we were 7-5 last year in the regular season with 2 wins versus 1AA teams.

If you go from possibly the worst HC of all time to a bad head coach, I guess that is progress.  And Leach has nothing to do with any of this, so can people please stop bring him up when it comes to Syracuse, I don't.  Look, I like the guy. I think he is a character and enjoy reading and listening to him. T Tech isn't an easy place to win and he did that.  He will do it at WSU as well
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