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Message: [QUOTE="swish7, post: 194367, member: 486"] I hear ya. I appreciate interesting and objective statistical takes, that are not two pages long. Jb did mention this specifically in the presser after the -16 rebounding game. You may have been on it last year, but it was a new take for me. As I always do, I will fail at phrasing this without offending someone, but certain people, not saying you, often throw out complex statistical scenarios to deflect an obvious and correctable fault. Conviently after the fact, and without a proper causal relationship. Do we get more turnovers because we don't rebound well? To me, that is more interesting than "forget the rebounding problem, bc the turnover ratio is solid.". The latter is more convience, than proof or cause. At least to me at this point. Gray area is fine, but there is black and white too. Ball goes up, find a man and box out. If there are two, pick one. [/QUOTE]