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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 1515543, member: 4809"] hardly, but a harsh reality. i guess that anyone that presents factual information that disagrees with a statement that is way off base is considered by u to be troll. i would hardly call us elite at this time.the fact that u see us that way is denial. can we come back to respectability? i hope so, but living in a fantasy world will not help the matter. we compete against ru for (and others) for nj recruits, that is my concern. to give u more ammunition, i am for extending shafers contract now as i have said in previous posts [/QUOTE]