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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 5319736, member: 40"] Agreed. At least last year, I could convince myself that it was because Red inherited most of the players, and that they were used to things being different under the previous HC, who was notoriously laissez faire. I figured that once some of those players were weeded out and Red replaced them with HIS guys, we'd see a change -- but we haven't. A very wise podcaster described it as Red getting the "substitute teacher" treatment from the players. Tough to argue with that. And at some point, as time goes on and the same stuff seems to be happening, it seems less likely that it's just on the players. Sucks, because Red is a program guy, an all-time Syracuse great, etc. But it appears that his capabilities were significantly overestimated by not just ADJW, but a segment of our fanbase. [/QUOTE]