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Message: [QUOTE="PhatOrange, post: 2400494, member: 229"] Coaches don't last long enough to prove otherwise. If you turn it around y year 2 or 3 they take a new job and if they dont turn it around by year 3 or 4 they are canned. Coaches who've been in their jobs 5-10 years may have had some lean years early on but were trending up (not just in Ws & Ls) until finally getting over the hump. Guys like Ferentz, Cutliff, Clawson, Rich Rod etc. Maybe someone else can do the research. Unless it's obvious early on like Gump, I just don't understand how any coach should be judged before all 105 players are his. [/QUOTE]