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Message: [QUOTE="br801, post: 3321990, member: 932"] I don't always try to avoid the "super trainers," as I play a lot of pick 4s and pick 5s (mostly on the NYRA circuit), and they are invariably involved in the sequences. Looking back, I've actually cashed on a lot of Jason Servis horses at decent odds in recent years. Navarro's magic generally didn't translate well in NY, so he was usually a "bet against" for me unless I was playing outside of NYRA. I suspect guys like Pletcher, Baffert and Chad Brown really push the envelope but are adept at not crossing the line and getting caught. I often find myself trying to beat their short-priced horses, but often have to include them in the horizontals. When they have more than one entered in a race, I've had some success using the longer price. [/QUOTE]