Hot wash of the pooch kick

[florange44]

Everyone who is thinking straight realizes the pooch kick was the right thing to do strategically.

Our kicker didn't make a very good kick. Kids make mistakes, it happens. But I wonder how much practice time does he get on that kick? He could be doing that 30 times a day in practice, does he? Is the special teams coached up enough to where that play can and should succeed?

If Shafer isn't preparing the kids for that moment then it's on him. If its a bad kick that he should have been able to execute, then it's on the player.

The penalty was a weak call but again coach the players up . Kickers should not be diving at runners unless its a last resort. Too much downside risk. ST coaches should be coaching that. Are they?

So the question is were the players prepared correctly for that play? If so, then Shafer made the right call, and it just didn't work.

If they aren't prepared that way, then Shafer was rolling the dice with a pooch kick, thinking it can't be worse than a Boyd return. If he's rolling the dice in game situations, then he's not prepared.

I don't know which it is. Sure would like to know. Would tell me a lot about him as a HC.

Florange44

 

[jekelish]

It's not even that the kicker made a bad kick...it's that the kicker then went and, astonishingly, got flagged for a personal foul that tacked on 15 yards. Even just take away that 15 yard gain and we're talking about a much different final 20 seconds.

 

[Millhouse]

Everyone who is thinking straight realizes the pooch kick was the right thing to do strategically. Our kicker didn't make a very good kick. Kids make mistakes, it happens. But I wonder how much practice time does he get on that kick? He could be doing that 30 times a day in practice, does he? Is the special teams coached up enough to where that play can and should succeed? If Shafer isn't preparing the kids for that moment then it's on him. If its a bad kick that he should have been able to execute, then it's on the player. The penalty was a weak call but again coach the players up . Kickers should not be diving at runners unless its a last resort. Too much downside risk. ST coaches should be coaching that. Are they? So the question is were the players prepared correctly for that play? If so, then Shafer made the right call, and it just didn't work. If they aren't prepared that way, then Shafer was rolling the dice with a pooch kick, thinking it can't be worse than a Boyd return. If he's rolling the dice in game situations, then he's not prepared. I don't know which it is. Sure would like to know. Would tell me a lot about him as a HC. Florange44

I guess I'm not thinking straight. Too much time to give them free yardage.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Pooch kick was the right play-

Our kicker had not hit the end zone all day with a kickoff. Why would you kick it to one of their best play makers.

Coffin kicks are incredibly difficult. Let's say we do a coffin kick and it goes out of bounds? no time off the clock and the ball is close to midfield.

Bottom line- pooch kick was the right play. Kicker made a dumb penalty

 

[upperdeck]

isnt the issue still less about the kick and more about calling a TO with 30+ on the clock before the TD pass? we could have let the clock run down to 10-15 called the TO and everything else after never happens.

 

[Millhouse]

Our kicker had not hit the end zone all day with a kickoff. Why would you kick it to one of their best play makers.

Because he was far away. You're over thinking

 

[oldpinepoint]

Because he was far away. You're over thinking

How am I overthinking it?

 

[Millhouse]

How am I overthinking it?

If you want the ball far away, your best chance is to kick it far away

 

[oldpinepoint]

But it's not how far you kick it, it's where the ball ends up after you kick it.

 

[Millhouse]

But it's not how far you kick it, it's where the ball ends up after you kick it.

Boyd is not thaat lethal. You only pooch if there is no time.

 

[Chris02M]

Everyone who is thinking straight realizes the pooch kick was the right thing to do strategically.

Our kicker didn't make a very good kick. Kids make mistakes, it happens. But I wonder how much practice time does he get on that kick? He could be doing that 30 times a day in practice, does he? Is the special teams coached up enough to where that play can and should succeed?

If Shafer isn't preparing the kids for that moment then it's on him. If its a bad kick that he should have been able to execute, then it's on the player.

The penalty was a weak call but again coach the players up . Kickers should not be diving at runners unless its a last resort. Too much downside risk. ST coaches should be coaching that. Are they?

So the question is were the players prepared correctly for that play? If so, then Shafer made the right call, and it just didn't work.

If they aren't prepared that way, then Shafer was rolling the dice with a pooch kick, thinking it can't be worse than a Boyd return. If he's rolling the dice in game situations, then he's not prepared.

I don't know which it is. Sure would like to know. Would tell me a lot about him as a HC.

Florange44

he was practicing kickoffs all halftime so im sure he get ripped

 

[OttoinGrotto]

isnt the issue still less about the kick and more about calling a TO with 30+ on the clock before the TD pass? we could have let the clock run down to 10-15 called the TO and everything else after never happens.

This.

 

[Chip]

How am I overthinking it?

Why ever kick off? If he can't get it to the end zone then we might always give up a kickoff return.

 

[kuethstheman]

What made the pooch worse was that the guy that caught it actually had a nice runback. Usually you hope to get the guy down after 5-10 yards. I think he ran it back more like 20-25.

I prefer a squibb. Rarely returned past the 35.

 

[Chris02M]

This.

calling the timeout was ok if you were thinking about a run on 3rd down so you could still get 3

 

[OttoinGrotto]

calling the timeout was ok if you were thinking about a run on 3rd down so you could still get 3

Eh. Go for the pass and throw it through the uprights if nothing is there, then kick your field goal.

 

[upperdeck]

i was in a car listening,. did we only have 1 TO? even so it was far enough that running and getting the next play off was shakey so pass first should have been the option.

 

[kirbivore]

Pooch kick was the right play-

Our kicker had not hit the end zone all day with a kickoff. Why would you kick it to one of their best play makers.

Coffin kicks are incredibly difficult. Let's say we do a coffin kick and it goes out of bounds? no time off the clock and the ball is close to midfield.

Bottom line- pooch kick was the right play. Kicker made a dumb penalty

Was Boyd that dangerous a kick returner? The pro pooch crowd is making him into Rocket Ismail or Desmond Howard