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Message: [QUOTE="Czar, post: 117336, member: 549"] You miss my point. Until Snyder got there the first time, Kansas State was one of the worst programs of all time. Syracuse has actually been good, won championships. Snyder got a lifetime pass because he did what no one else had ever done there. He's in a Tom Osborne situation. In comparison, Marrone is simply a new coach in a place that hasn't always been complete ass. This is not Kansas State where success has been impossible except after one coach. It's been done multiple times in multiple era's. That's the issue. [/QUOTE]