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Message: [QUOTE="Statesman1, post: 1641878, member: 3507"] Yeah I know there are always mitigating circumstances when evaluating Shafer's recruiting ability. There are differences in timeframe when each coach got the job, but honestly at what point does the HC either get the job done or not? Shafer couldn't keep our key recruits in his transition year, Babers did. That's a contrast right there already. Many Shafer apologists act like we're the only school that recruits- nobody else found four or five guys who contributed on a poor team last year besides us. What difference does it make if Shafer does a fine job recruiting but 14 other schools in your league do a better job? When even Shafers' best classes are ranked either dead last or ahead of only Wake in the ACC, it's hard to say the guy did anything other than a poor job recruiting. Enough looking behind, Baber's first class in such a short turnaround is reason for optimism. [/QUOTE]