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Message: [QUOTE="Millhouse, post: 1384174, member: 78"] there are lots of things here that are interesting if you stare long enough. once you hit 80th in offense, none of those groups of 8 average 6 wins. two groups of 8 below 80th on defense average more than 6 wins. the most average defenses win more than the best defenses. it's better to be 17-24 or 57-64 than it is to be 1-8 or 9-16 on defense middle of the road offenses are far behind the good ones. i think this is because having a crappy offense makes your own defense look better than it really is. opponents get the lead then play it safe. [/QUOTE]