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Message: [QUOTE="Townie72, post: 1385326, member: 780"] In order to understand that your suggestion about Penn wasn't crazy you needed to know some history. The Ivy League was formed in the late 1940's not the 1860's. As you know, prior to this some of the Ivy League schools were big time football powers. In 1951, Princeton had two first team All America's on the team and one of them won the Heisman Trophy. They played Army and Navy who were also Big Time. You can imagine that the alumni of Penn who were used to big time opponents were not happy with a steady diet of playing Brown and Columbia. [/QUOTE]