How does a scholarship for a "non-qualifer" work?

[SBU72]

I had to pay my son's tuition this week for RIT and his classes start around Aug. 24. I was wondering how the scholarship for a "non-qualifying" athlete works. Take the case of Diagne. As far as I can figure out,, the NCAA has NOT determined if he is qualified to play at SU. Now I figure that tuition is due for SU and classes should begin in the next week or two. How does the school handle his situation. Let him attend without paying until his case is decided. If he is not qualified, does the school continue to let he attend (on scholarship or make him pay with lots of grant money)? If it is a scholarship, does it count against the teams quota? Or do they encourage him to withdraw and go to a prep school? I seem to remember some player was in a similar situation a few years back and SU didn't allow him to go to classes until his case is decided then he had to hustle to catch up when it was in in his favor. How long do they wait? How does it work for football since I assume they are already at practice.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Let a student-athlete attend w/o paying?

Pretty sure that's on the NCAA list of things NOT to do. Something about student-athletes receiving extra benefits, etc...

 

[jordoo]

It doesn't work, basically.

 

[SBU72]

Ahhh, thanks. I think.
I was looking for a little more than a short sentence or 2. Like a reasonable explanation.

 

[AZOrange]

I had to pay my son's tuition this week for RIT and his classes start around Aug. 24. I was wondering how the scholarship for a "non-qualifying" athlete works. Take the case of Diagne. As far as I can figure out,, the NCAA has NOT determined if he is qualified to play at SU. Now I figure that tuition is due for SU and classes should begin in the next week or two. How does the school handle his situation. Let him attend without paying until his case is decided. If he is not qualified, does the school continue to let he attend (on scholarship or make him pay with lots of grant money)? If it is a scholarship, does it count against the teams quota? Or do they encourage him to withdraw and go to a prep school? I seem to remember some player was in a similar situation a few years back and SU didn't allow him to go to classes until his case is decided then he had to hustle to catch up when it was in in his favor. How long do they wait? How does it work for football since I assume they are already at practice.

If they are not cleared by the NCAA, they won't be admitted at SU. You might be thinking of Roberson. He wasn't clear and could not enroll in summer classes and fell behind.

 

[pfister1]

If they are not cleared by the NCAA, they won't be admitted at SU. You might be thinking of Roberson. He wasn't clear and could not enroll in summer classes and fell behind.

Is that an SU admissions policy, or is that an NCAA rule? I'm curious whether the only option a non-qualifier has is prep school/a non Division I option.

 

[AZOrange]

Is that an SU admissions policy, or is that an NCAA rule? I'm curious whether the only option a non-qualifier has is prep school/a non Division I option.

I don't think the NCAA prohibits the NQ from attending but they have to pay and cannot compete. I would assume SU isn't in he business of admitting students that can't get through the NCAA clearinghouse, the NQ probably would lack sufficient resources and the NQ would want to continue to play.

 

[pfister1]

I don't think the NCAA prohibits the NQ from attending but they have to pay and cannot compete. I would assume SU isn't in he business of admitting students that can't get through the NCAA clearinghouse, the NQ probably would lack sufficient resources and the NQ would want to continue to play.

I'm contrasting this to what I believe used to be the Prop 48 route. I believe a non-qualifier used to be admitted as a freshman, be eligible for a scholarship but would have to spend the freshman year taking course work that would get him eligible for the following year.

Is this no longer Kosher? I assume that SU would prefer to have Diagne on campus trying to get himself eligible as it reduces the possibility that he gains his eligibility and chooses to take his talents somewhere else once he becomes eligible.

 

[Full_Rebar]

There is a partial qualifier status that I believe still exists, which allows a student to attend and receive a scholarship, but not be cleared to participate in competition. I don't know if the ACC has a rule specific to this status, but it's possible.

From what I understand, the colleges can choose to admit a student and allow them to start classes, but if they are not cleared as a qualifier and have started college, that they are permanently ineligible. This is why schools hold off on enrollment/attendance until they feel confident that a student will be a qualifier.

I believe this is why SU didn't bring Diagne or Blair to campus with the rest of the incoming hoops/football class this summer, similar to Roberson last year.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm contrasting this to what I believe used to be the Prop 48 route. I believe a non-qualifier used to be admitted as a freshman, be eligible for a scholarship but would have to spend the freshman year taking course work that would get him eligible for the following year.

Is this no longer Kosher? I assume that SU would prefer to have Diagne on campus trying to get himself eligible as it reduces the possibility that he gains his eligibility and chooses to take his talents somewhere else once he becomes eligible.

Beginning August 1, 2016, NCAA Division I will require 10 core courses to be completed prior to the seventh semester (seven of the 10 must be a combination of English, math or natural or physical science that meet the distribution requirements).[4] These 10 courses become "locked in" at the start of the seventh semester and cannot be retaken for grade improvement.

Beginning August 1, 2016, it will be possible for a Division I college-bound student-athlete to still receive athletics aid and the ability to practice with the team if he or she fails to meet the 10 course requirement, but would not be able to compete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_48_(NCAA)

 

[73CAV]

I am unsure of how it is being handled now, but when the NCAA did allow partial qualifiers, the ACC did not. An athlete had to be fully qualified. The NCAA has now changed its definitions, but I am unsure how the ACC has responded to those changes. Nonetheless, I imagine its [the ACC's] requirements will be more demanding.

Edit to Add: There was a time further back, when the ACC allowed each school to take two (one male, one female) partial qualifiers, but I believe that practice was discontinued. I am a bit fuzzy on that because Virginia never allowed them anyway. There have been fully qualified athletes that couldn't get past UVa's admissions.

 

[SBU72]

If they are not cleared by the NCAA, they won't be admitted at SU. You might be thinking of Roberson. He wasn't clear and could not enroll in summer classes and fell behind.

I remember further back (Fab? Devendorf? or somebody else who was finally cleared about 2 weeks into the semester and had to make up classwork to be eligible.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

SU might even have a rule against taking partial qualifiers now.

I remember Michael Owens in 1986, but I can't remember the last time we took a partial for basketball, if ever.

 

[AZOrange]

I remember further back (Fab? Devendorf? or somebody else who was finally cleared about 2 weeks into the semester and had to make up classwork to be eligible.

You're probably confusing eligibility maintenance issues vs initial eligibility. I don't remember any NQs in hoops.

 

[AZOrange]

Beginning August 1, 2016, NCAA Division I will require 10 core courses to be completed prior to the seventh semester (seven of the 10 must be a combination of English, math or natural or physical science that meet the distribution requirements).[4] These 10 courses become "locked in" at the start of the seventh semester and cannot be retaken for grade improvement.

Beginning August 1, 2016, it will be possible for a Division I college-bound student-athlete to still receive athletics aid and the ability to practice with the team if he or she fails to meet the 10 course requirement, but would not be able to compete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_48_(NCAA)

I read that but interpret it as ongoing eligibility requirements as opposed to initial requirements.

 

[AZOrange]

I'm contrasting this to what I believe used to be the Prop 48 route. I believe a non-qualifier used to be admitted as a freshman, be eligible for a scholarship but would have to spend the freshman year taking course work that would get him eligible for the following year.

Is this no longer Kosher? I assume that SU would prefer to have Diagne on campus trying to get himself eligible as it reduces the possibility that he gains his eligibility and chooses to take his talents somewhere else once he becomes eligible.

NCAA still has partials. Ricky ledo was one. I just can't remember ever having done it at SU.

 

[PoppyHart]

Remember Louis McCroskey's situation coming down to the wire? Oh, the memories.