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[QUOTE="Cuse69, post: 3521789, member: 7063"]
You guys act like we play in some impossible conference where going 6-6 is so unreasonable, we play in the 4th easiest of the 5 P5 conferences, I assume everyone on here knows this LOL. An 8 year turnaround is insane, if Shafer got every break to go his way in 2015 they probably make a bowl game, like i said 6-6 and a bowl game in this acc is not some impossible feat, 8 years to be contending for ACC titles sure but we should be making bowl games at this point in the Babers era, he's going to get next year no matter what but if thats a normal year (would be pretty nice to think about now) and we don't at the least make a bowl then the seat needs to be hot. The fast offense gimmick has worn out most teams can go fast and it really is not some big deal, babers has a good defense he's the offense guy, this falls on him. I think most of us would take wake forest dave clawson type success, develop players usually make a bowl send a few guys each year to the nfl, no one is asking for a national title but a bowl game and competitive football would be nice.
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