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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 1460550, member: 837"] I'm not defending Williams -- though I'm not sure why people have so much vitriol for a kid who chose to go somewhere other than the cuse. that's a pretty minor offense all things considered. I don't know how much has changed with Kelly. I know the curriculum has been in place forever and has been a significant challenge -- much bigger than admissions standards -- for a couple decades. Regardless, ND takes this stuff seriously at least relative to most universities. I really don't know how people can argue that. I mean they were at the top or in the top 5 by any measure in 2014 and have been for the past 8 years: [URL='http://www.und.com/genrel/102914aac.html']Here's the link[/URL] I'm not insinuating that ND doesn't have it's issues, but the idea that they aren't at least among the better schools when it comes to the academic part of being a student athlete is a pretty crazy. [/QUOTE]