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[QUOTE="IthacaMatt, post: 4786912, member: 405"]
Really?  Seems like you are a member of the "Welcome to Loserville" crowd, too.

Are we any worse, historically speaking, than the following list of teams, just off the top of my head? Here are the win totals these teams put up over the last 10 seasons.
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[*]Minnesota - 11 wins, 9 wins 3 times, 8 wins twice, 7, 5 and 3
[*]Wake Forest - 11 wins, 8 wins 3 times; 7, 4 and 3 wins twice each
[*]Cincinnati - 13 wins (!), 11 wins twice, 9 wins four times, 7 wins once, 4 wins twice
[*]Louisville - 12 wins (!), 9 wins twice, 8 wins four times, 6 wins, 4 wins and 2 wins
[*]Purdue - 9 wins, 8, 7, 6, 4, 3 (2X), 2 and 1 win
[*]West Virginia - 10 wins, 8 (2X), 7 (2x), 6 (2x), 5 (2x), 4 (2x)
[*]Arizona State -  10 wins twice (!), 8 wins twice, 7 wins twice, 6, 5, 3, 2, 1
[*]Boston College - 7 wins 5 times, 6 wins 3 times, 3 wins twice
[*]Oregon State - 10 wins, 7 wins twice, 5 wins 3 times, 4 wins, 2 wins 3 times, 1 win
[*]Maryland - 8 wins, 7 wins (3x), 5 wins, 4 (2x), 3 (2x), 2 wins
[*]Utah - 11 wins, 10 wins (3x), 9 wins (3x), 7, 5 and 3 wins
[*]Ole Miss - 10 wins twice, 9 wins, 8 wins twice, 6 wins, 5 wins (3x), 4
[*]Oklahoma State - 12 wins, 10 wins FOUR times, 8 (2x), 7 wins (3x)
[*]Kansas State - 10 wins, 9 twice, 8 wins four times, 6, 5 and 4
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Are ANY of these teams our historical superiors?  Is there any reason we should be a team that can win around 8 games most years?  All of these teams seem to do it, except BC, but they've still made bowl games 8 of the last 10 years.

I'm really disappointed by the defeatism on this board, about "our rightful place" in college football.
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