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Message: [QUOTE="OttosBestFriend, post: 673359, member: 852"] First, you have STANFORD in two groups (BARONS and KNIGHTS) and they are definitely NOT a BARON over the long haul. Second, there's NO WAY that UCLA is a BARON - based on their overall record, attendance, and media mentions in the last 10-15 years... They've been somewhat irrelevant since the late 90's. I think WVU should bump down one to the KNIGHTS. Sure, they've made a few BCS games, but they did it coming out of a crappy conference and seemingly beat the big teams in their non-conference schedule. I think Miami should bump down one to the BARONS or maybe even switch places with Georgia. Miami has done NOTHING since moving to the ACC and draws horrible attendance. As far as Georgia is concerned, I could be convinced Georgia is to remain a BARON, but they are ALWAYS in the SEC title hunt, go to bowls every year, produce lots of pros, ALWAYS sell out their stadium, consistently have top-10 recruiting classes and are seemingly on the CBS every Saturday at 3:30PM. Also, recognizing that the original article you referenced only had 5 tiers, I think there needs to be more levels. It's not that cut and dried. Especially in the world of KNIGHTS and PEASANTS. IMO, the KNIGHTS should be split into two different tiers. (Same with the PEASANTS) With no evidence to back it up, the following teams have separated themselves over the last 15 or so years - from the others in your KNIGHTS group. My non-scientific analysis is based on a combination W-L records, bowl games, national TV appearances, media mentions, recruiting class ratings, NFL players produced, overall fanbase "craziness" and devotion, as well as other intangibles that don't really mean anything. PLEASE NOTE: I looked none of this up - I just went with my perception of how the respective universities fared in these areas. Again, I have nothing to back up these claims... Just think there's a pretty big difference between say Michigan State and Ole Miss or Kansas State over the last 15-20 years - with a heavier emphasis on the last 10. [B]TOP TIER[/B] (in no particular order) Georgia Tech Michigan State BYU Virginia Arkansas Stanford Iowa (Been to Bowls 10 of last 12 years) TCU Louisville Pittsburgh Boise State Utah [B]SECOND TIER[/B] (again in no particular order) Arizona State Boston College Cal Illinois Kansas State Maryland Missouri North Carolina N.C. State Oklahoma State Ole Miss Oregon State Purdue Syracuse Texas Tech Washington [/QUOTE]

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