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Message: [QUOTE="VA Citrus, post: 5510452, member: 10405"] Buddy is an Oklahoma fan and said the same thing. They're not the same without Venebles. He has Bud Foster to Dabo's Frank Beamer. I think now more than ever it's harder to win college football games and your coaching staff better want it more than the other guys and I think Clemson got fat and happy. They made the playoff last year by barely slipping by a bunch of awful ACC teams. The program has been rotting from the inside for a while but they were still better than the other ACC teams. They're not better anymore and it's falling apart fast. [/QUOTE]