I dont understand some coaches

[CorduroyG]

This happens alot. A big underdog team on the road will be up double digits in the 2nd half, and instead of taking 30 seconds off the shot clock EVERY SINGLE TIME, theyll continue playing the same way and the more talented home team will make a run and the underdog team will panic and take quick shots and the lead is gone in a flash.

If NC State took 30 seconds off the shot clock every possession the last 10 minutes of that game tonite no way duke comes back.

Reminds me of ncaa tournament games when the 15 or 16 seed comes out and takes quick shots and tries to play run and gun. The only way those kind of upsets can happen or even have a chance to happen (as we know all too well) is to take the air out of the ball every single possession.

 

[Marsh01]

NC State lost this game defensively. Gave up 48 points and 8 three pointers in the second half. Perimeter defense was non existent.

 

[CorduroyG]

Duke wouldnt have got all those possessions to score 48 if nc state milked the clock.

 

[pfister1]

C'mon everyone knows stall ball doesn't work, you lose your offensive rhythm and lose the game nearly every time...wait NC State and VPI both lost big leads anyway didn't they?

 

[Shermthegeneral]

UNC used to play 4 corners/ stall ball a ton in the 70's-80's before the NCAA put in the 45 second clock. I'm surprised more teams don't do it. Yes, stall ball might get your team out of Rhythm but it shortens the game, gives you defense rest, and doesn't allow an explosive offense to go on a run.

 

[KingOtis]

Stall ball is just like the prevent defense in that people tend to focus on the one time out of ten when it doesn't work as opposed to the nine times out of ten when it does.

NC State definitely should have milked the clock.

 

[PhatOrange]

This happens alot. A big underdog team on the road will be up double digits in the 2nd half, and instead of taking 30 seconds off the shot clock EVERY SINGLE TIME, theyll continue playing the same way and the more talented home team will make a run and the underdog team will panic and take quick shots and the lead is gone in a flash.

If NC State took 30 seconds off the shot clock every possession the last 10 minutes of that game tonite no way duke comes back.

Reminds me of ncaa tournament games when the 15 or 16 seed comes out and takes quick shots and tries to play run and gun. The only way those kind of upsets can happen or even have a chance to happen (as we know all too well) is to take the air out of the ball every single possession.

Hasn't this board taught you that it's terrible strategy to take the air out of the ball and limit possessions?

 

[jordoo]

NCST was up about 20 points with 13min to go if I recall that leaves about 22 35 sec total possessions left in the game. I thought it was a bit early to start stall ball then because they had extended the lead back out by aggressively attacking after breaking Duke's pressure. There was a possession where they were still up 17 after Duke hit a three and Wood was fouled shooting a three he missed 2 of the 3 Ft's and I think had he hit those NCST wins just seemed like one of those moments. When things really got bad for NCST was when they had multple guys in foul trouble and stopped being aggressive on offense.

 

[Ghost]

I agree, they needed to slow the game down. Hell, for a team like NC State, a substantial underdog, it may even make their offense function more effectively. Duke can't guard for anything, so taking the clock down and going for iso's late in the shot clock will probably lead to better shots than what they were getting anyway playing more up tempo. Against a better defensive team you may want to start a set a bit sooner, but Duke's not guarding anyone so let it roll.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

However, in the VaTech game, the Hokies were giving away layups in an effort to run clock ... then of course missing almost every foul shot or jump shot on each possession. Simply following through and making a wide open layup would have won them their game at Florida State. It really does go both ways. There is simply a feel for the game that must be mastered by the coaching staff and leaders on the court as to how to bleed clock, yet still score.

 

[All4SU]

Of course, it's also a good idea to drain the clock by making your opponent take a full :35.

 

[CorduroyG]

Hasn't this board taught you that it's terrible strategy to take the air out of the ball and limit possessions?

When syracuse is up 10 with 5 minutes left i got no problem with stall ball. WHen theyre up 4 with 5 minutes left i got a huge problem with stall ball.

WHen a huge underdog, especially on the road, is up double digits in the 2nd half, the coach should always run stall ball. Play like notre dame does all the time. They were up TWENTY with 11:30 left in the 2nd half. No chance duke comes back if state slows it down and milks the clock every possession. Gottfried is a clown for not doing that

 

[Millhouse]

This happens alot. A big underdog team on the road will be up double digits in the 2nd half, and instead of taking 30 seconds off the shot clock EVERY SINGLE TIME, theyll continue playing the same way and the more talented home team will make a run and the underdog team will panic and take quick shots and the lead is gone in a flash.

If NC State took 30 seconds off the shot clock every possession the last 10 minutes of that game tonite no way duke comes back.

Reminds me of ncaa tournament games when the 15 or 16 seed comes out and takes quick shots and tries to play run and gun. The only way those kind of upsets can happen or even have a chance to happen (as we know all too well) is to take the air out of the ball every single possession.

similar to a thread on the football board about amplifying per possession differences.

people who want syracuse football to go up tempo now are probably overestimating how much better it will make the offense and not factoring in the extra plays the other team gets

same as stall ball - people think it makes the offense worse than it actually does per possession and fail to recognize the value of extra possessions. I think the difference between stall ball haters and non haters is the stall ball haters don't pay enough attention to free throws. it's hideous esthetically but most of the time, just pounding the ball into the floor, drawing fouls and making a free throw tossing in a bad percentage shot here or there is good enough when you're giving the other team so few chances.

Boeheim's greatest attribute is his ability to do rough math in his head. It's not like he's some beautiful mind carrying the 1 in his head, he just has such a great memory for patterns and is so bright about making accurate and fast estimations. I think his instinctive and accurate thinking about probabilities rules his whole program. SU vs Georgia, don't call the timeout to let the defense set - probabilities. 2-3 zone - probabilities. no shootaround? probabilities - why bother if it doesn't give you anything? it helps recruiting by not turning the game into a chore for players, it helps him stay balanced with family and golf and charity allowing him to coach longer, it keeps good assistants happy.

 

[Matt Schrader]

Gottfried is a terrible game coach and that implosion was a clear example of it. Had guys fouling left and right with about a minute left when only down 3. Didnt use timeouts wisely to stem the tide of the comeback. Just abysmal coaching. Dont like either NC St or Duke so didnt care who won, but NC St is pathetic.