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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 183745, member: 289"] Regarding overtime: the record there is only relevant if we used stall ball to defend a lead in overtime. It is relevant how many of those OT games went to overtime due to lost leads. I don't have that stats, unfortunatley. But JB's overtime record isn't a defense of stall ball. My formula for it, (and I proposed this to JB but he didn't like the idea of doing it by a formula) was that you take the size of the lead and compare it to the number of 35 second segments left in the game, (rounding up on that number) x 3. If the lead is greater than that, you can just eat up the clock and even if you give up the ball without scoring and they get a quick three on the other end and still win. So you concentrate on bleeding the clock rather than taking the first open shot you can get. Of course you have to recalibrate that with every possession: if you have a turnover, say, 15 seconds into a possesion, it changes the calculation. Here is what happened down the stretch in last night's game, (from the SU Athletic site): GOOD! 3 PTR by JOSEPH, Kris 04:37 5 4 - 4 8 H 6 ASSIST by WAITERS, Dion 04:37 04:24 5 4 - 5 1 H 3 GOOD! 3 PTR by CLARK, Jason 04:24 ASSIST by PORTER, Otto MISSED JUMPER by WAITERS, Dion 03:59 REBOUND (OFF) by FAIR, C.J. 03:59 03:55 FOUL by WHITTINGTON, Greg (P1T7) TIMEOUT media 03:55 GOOD! FT SHOT by JOSEPH, Kris 03:55 5 5 - 5 1 H 4 MISSED FT SHOT by JOSEPH, Kris 03:55 REBOUND (DEF) by THOMPSON, Hollis 03:55 [SIZE=1][FONT=Verdana]SUB IN : SIMS, Henry[/FONT][/SIZE] 03:55 [SIZE=1][FONT=Verdana]SUB OUT: HOPKINS, Mikael[/FONT][/SIZE] BLOCK by MELO, Fab 03:41 MISSED JUMPER by SIMS, Henry REBOUND (DEF) by JOSEPH, Kris 03:37 TURNOVR by JARDINE, Scoop 03:24 03:23 STEALVbybCLARK,KJasonon TIMEOUT TEAM 03:12 TURNOVR by FAIR, C.J. 02:47 02:45 STEAL by WHITTINGTON, Greg BLOCK by MELO, Fab 02:38 MISSED JUMPER by SIMS, Henry 02:35 REBOUND (OFF) by SIMS, Henry REBOUND (DEF) by WAITERS, Dion 02:33 MISSED JUMPER by SIMS, Henry MISSED 3 PTR by JARDINE, Scoop 01:57 REBOUND (DEF) by SIMS, Henry 01:36 5 5 - 5 4 H 1 GOOD! 3 PTR by CLARK, Jason 01:36 ASSIST by WHITTINGTON, Greg TIMEOUT TEAM 01:28 01:28 [SIZE=1][FONT=Verdana]SUB IN : TRAWICK, Jabril[/FONT][/SIZE] 01:28 [SIZE=1][FONT=Verdana]SUB OUT: THOMPSON, Hollis[/FONT][/SIZE] TIMEOUT TEAM 01:10 MISSED 3 PTR by WAITERS, Dion 01:01 REBOUND (DEF) by WHITTINGTON, Greg FOUL by FAIR, C.J. (P3T7) 01:00 5 5 - 5 5 T 12 GOOD! FT SHOT by WHITTINGTON, Greg 01:00 MISSED FT SHOT by WHITTINGTON, Greg 01:00 REBOUND (OFF) by WHITTINGTON, Greg 00:54 TIMEOUT TEAM 00:54 [SIZE=1][FONT=Verdana]SUB IN : THOMPSON, Hollis[/FONT][/SIZE] 00:54 [SIZE=1][FONT=Verdana]SUB OUT: TRAWICK, Jabril[/FONT][/SIZE] BLOCK by MELO, Fab 00:31 MISSED JUMPER by SIMS, Henry REBOUND (DEF) by JOSEPH, Kris 00:29 MISSED 3 PTR by WAITERS, Dion 00:02 REBOUND (DEF) by SIMS, Henry [SIZE=3]We got the ball[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]with 4:24 and a 3 point lead, took 25 seconds off the clock and Dion Waiters missed a jump shot. Fair got the rebound, Joseph was fouled and made 1 of 2 shots to make it 55-51.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]We got the ball back at 3:37 with the same score but Scoop turned it over at 3:24. the log is confusing here: there was another change of possession at 3:22 but CJ wound up with a turnover at 2:47. 50 seconds gone but no points.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]We got the ball back at 2:33 with the score stuck on 55-51. We bled 35 seconds off the clock but Scoop missed a trey at the buzzer and Georgetown got the rebound at 1:57.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Clark made a tough trey to cole it to 55-54 and we got the ball back at 1:36. Dion missed a three pointer at 1:01 and Fair fouled Whititngton who tied the game the line, then rebounded his own miss on the second shot. Melo got his big block and we got the ball back at 29 seconds. [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Dion missed a three pointer at 2 seconds after a weird behind the back pass by Scoop and we went to overtime.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Obviously exectution has alot to do with this and Gerogetown's defense deserves alot of credit. But to cite this game as proof that stallball works because we won the game in OT doesn't seem quite appropriate. Not that it was bieng used but there was never a point in this game where my forumla would have applied. [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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