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Message: [QUOTE="rrlbees, post: 116186, member: 96"] how do you explain 2-12 for both if lville was in such better shape? and my post addresses the state of the programs better than an opinion. same conference records for 2 years running. more of one former coaches recruits on all b.e. than the other former coach. we are 1-6 they are 5-2. if lville was in such great shape before strong, just how do they go 1-6, 1-6? they were all young? ok, then how do we crush them on this years all b.e.? lville might have been in marginally better shape at best. but not 5-2/1-6 better. they got better as the year went along, we got worse. that can't be brushed off either. bottom-line is that i like marrone and i believe he will get it going and eventually win. but he failed this year plain and simple. and if he doesn't figure out how to recruit better, he could continue to fail. [/QUOTE]