I never want to hear about being consistently top 20 ever again…

[Cusefan0307]

Apparently you can get a top 4 seed once every 13 years and still win more than 2 titles.

 

[Trueblue25]

Would like to hear the AD’s vision of competing for championships rather than just being competitive

 

[sufandu]

Apparently you can get a top 4 seed once every 13 years and still win more than 2 titles.

We just need to take advantage of ours when we get them. We haven't done that enough.

 

[heresjohnny88]

People need to get over the UConn seed obsession. Bottom line: when UConn has had a decent - great team, they’ve generally taken advantage and made runs. We haven’t. End of story. It’s pointless to lament the fact that they’ve passed us as a program. Who really cares?

 

[Cusefan0307]

People need to get over the UConn seed obsession. Bottom line: when UConn has had a decent - great team, they’ve generally taken advantage and made runs. We haven’t. End of story. It’s pointless to lament the fact that they’ve passed us as a program. Who really cares?

You did a poor job of reading.

 

[Cuse1055]

The turnaround has already started off the court with JJ and (hopefully) Judah and Jesse coming back. I think we get a HUGE boost next weekend for the future as well with Donnie. With Judah, JJ, Jesse and the supporting cast we will be top 20 again next year IMHO.

 

[NYCCuse826]

It's hard to win in March. SU should know that despite the loaded teams they've had. Requires getting hot at the right time and lots of luck in regards to matchups. UConn, who I don't consider a rival, winning isn't going to ruin my day. My job will accomplish that.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

4 seeds are better than 10 seeds.

 

[Scooch]

They’re an outlier. It happens. Yeesh.

 

[heresjohnny88]

You did a poor job of reading.

I wasn’t responding to your post in particular.

 

[storange]

They’re an outlier. It happens. Yeesh.

Aye, There are 300 teams, nobody else has had that type of Tourney success.

 

[pwong]

If Uconn didn’t suck in Jan, they would have been higher than a 4 seed. Had a really good early start to the year beating Alabama, Iowa St, Oregon, Ok St in non con

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I didn't feel like starting a new thread or bumping several old threads so I am putting this here.

The prior 11 NCAATs had 9 different schools win. Only UConn and Nova had more than one.

Since the NCAAT went to 64 (using future conferences)
Championship Game appearances
22 - ACC
15 - B16
12 - Big East
11 - SEC
8 - B12
3 - P10
2 - MWC, WCC
1 - AAC

Titles
13 - ACC (5 schools)
8 - Big East (2 schools)
6 - SEC (3 schools)
5 - B1G (5 schools)
4 - B12 (2 schools)
1- MWC, P10

Titles by Seed
1 - 24 (63.2%)
2 - 5
3 - 4 (86.8% are 1-3 seed)
4 - 2
5 - 0
6 - 1
7 - 1
8 - 1
9-16 - 0

Only 13.2% have been above a 3 seed. Even worse in the last 34 NCAATs above a 3 seed has only won 8.8% of the time. UConn has TWO of those three. But that can happen when out of the Top 15 teams in the NCAAT, UConn beat ONE team!!! And 0.0 teams from the Top 8.

Last championship by future conference
Big East 2023
B12 2022
ACC 2019
SEC 2012
B1G 2002
P10 1997
MWC 1990

Since the NCAAT went to 64 teams we have seen 19 different schools win a title over 38 NCAATs.
5 - Duke, UConn
4 - UNC
3 - Kentucky, Kansas, Nova
2 - Louisville, Florida
1 - UCLA, Indiana, Michigan State, Baylor, UVA, SU, Maryland, Arizona, Arkansas, UNLV, Michigan

 

[M2MPrinciples]

If Uconn didn’t suck in Jan, they would have been higher than a 4 seed. Had a really good early start to the year beating Alabama, Iowa St, Oregon, Ok St in non con

Yep. After UConn's run in the PK80, the predictive metrics had them right up there with Purdue, even as UConn was losing to St. John's and Seton Hall while Purdue was blasting through the B1G. The pollsters messed up, as they tend to do.

Regarding seeding - On one hand, the results have to matter, but even without hindsight I don't think UConn should've been a 4.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Would like to hear the AD’s vision of competing for championships rather than just being competitive

I think we got this during one of Wildhack's earlier rounds of damage control this year when he basically said that the regular season doesn't matter beyond playing well enough to get in the tournament. Hopefully that's changed now that Autry is head coach, but it was pretty weak at the time too.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I didn't feel like starting a new thread or bumping several old threads so I am putting this here.

The prior 11 NCAATs had 9 different schools win. Only UConn and Nova had more than one.

Since the NCAAT went to 64 (using future conferences)
Championship Game appearances
22 - ACC
15 - B16
12 - Big East
11 - SEC
8 - B12
3 - P10
2 - MWC, WCC
1 - AAC

Titles
13 - ACC (5 schools)
8 - Big East (2 schools)
6 - SEC (3 schools)
5 - B1G (5 schools)
4 - B12 (2 schools)
1- MWC, P10

Titles by Seed
1 - 24 (63.2%)
2 - 5
3 - 4 (86.8% are 1-3 seed)
4 - 2
5 - 0
6 - 1
7 - 1
8 - 1
9-16 - 0

Only 13.2% have been above a 3 seed. Even worse in the last 34 NCAATs above a 3 seed has only won 8.8% of the time. UConn has TWO of those three. But that can happen when out of the Top 15 teams in the NCAAT, UConn beat ONE team!!! And 0.0 teams from the Top 8.

Last championship by future conference
Big East 2023
B12 2022
ACC 2019
SEC 2012
B1G 2002
P10 1997
MWC 1990

Since the NCAAT went to 64 teams we have seen 19 different schools win a title over 38 NCAATs.
5 - Duke, UConn
4 - UNC
3 - Kentucky, Kansas, Nova
2 - Louisville, Florida
1 - UCLA, Indiana, Michigan State, Baylor, UVA, SU, Maryland, Arizona, Arkansas, UNLV, Michigan

lol why use eleven tournaments?

 

[Trueblue25]

I think we got this during one of Wildhack's earlier rounds of damage control this year when he basically said that the regular season doesn't matter beyond playing well enough to get in the tournament. Hopefully that's changed now that Autry is head coach, but it was pretty weak at the time too.

Well thats an absolutely idiotic comment if he made it, seeing as there’s clear mathematically proven advantages to being a higher seed

 

[Cheriehoop]

lol why use eleven tournaments?

I imagine it’s because most people are harping about the past 10 years, starting with the 2012-2013 season through the 2022-2023 season or 11 seasons which seems reasonable in my lowly opinion.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

lol why use eleven tournaments?

I was showing that over the last 12 years there has been parity. Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky have only one title each. UCLA and Indiana have none. The Blue Blood programs have FOUR combined titles over that span.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I was showing that over the last 12 years there has been parity. Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky have only one title each. UCLA and Indiana have none. The Blue Blood programs have FOUR combined titles over that span.

To expand on that a bit...

UCLA has only ONE title since 1975
Kentucky has only ONE title since 1998
Indiana has only ONE title since 1981
Kansas has only TWO titles since 1988


If we use the last 25 years (1999-2023):

5 - UConn
3 - Duke, UNC
2 - Kansas, Nova, Florida
1- Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan State, Baylor, UVA, SU, Maryland
0 - Indiana, UCLA

Based on titles UConn is clearly the best program over the last 25 years. Only six programs have more titles than SU over that span. We are one of only 13 programs to win a title.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Well thats an absolutely idiotic comment if he made it, seeing as there’s clear mathematically proven advantages to being a higher seed

Yeah, it was pretty terrible form. If memory serves, Axe had him on in early December and gave some quotes from Boeheim where he said that the tournament is the only thing that matters and Axe asked Wildhack if he agreed and he said yes. Hopefully he was just neutered by the Boeheim loyalists in the donor base but if that's how he really feels it's a pretty bad omen.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Yeah, it was pretty terrible form. If memory serves, Axe had him on in early December and gave some quotes from Boeheim where he said that the tournament is the only thing that matters and Axe asked Wildhack if he agreed and he said yes. Hopefully he was just neutered by the Boeheim loyalists in the donor base but if that's how he really feels it's a pretty bad omen.

Only once in the last 37 NCAATs has a team outside the Top 24 seeds won a title. And 0.0 teams outside the Top 28. Only once in the last 34 NCAATs has a team outside the Top 16 seeds won a title. And only twice in the last 34 NCAATs has a team outside the Top 12 won a title.

If you want a legit shot at a title you need to be a Top 10 type of team during the season. If you want a legit shot at the Final Four you need to be a Top 25 type of team. Just making the NCAAT isn't realistic to achieving either goal. It could happen but it is not very likely.

 

[Cusefan0307]

In the last 16 seasons a one or two seed has won the title 13 times. The other 3 times?

 

[Scooch]

Yeah, it was pretty terrible form. If memory serves, Axe had him on in early December and gave some quotes from Boeheim where he said that the tournament is the only thing that matters and Axe asked Wildhack if he agreed and he said yes. Hopefully he was just neutered by the Boeheim loyalists in the donor base but if that's how he really feels it's a pretty bad omen.

In fairness, his other option in that moment was to undercut his HoF head coach to Axe (of all people). We all knew SU was headed for a mediocre-at-best season in December, and were very likely not a tourney team. Pouring gas on that fire is not what an AD is going to do.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

In the last 16 seasons a one or two seed has won the title 13 times. The other 3 times?

All were named UConn.

Since 1989 a one or two seed has won 27 of the 33 NCAATs. The outliers were #4 Arizona, #3 Syracuse, #3 Florida, #3 UConn, #7 UConn, #4 UConn.