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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 5199666, member: 5685"] He was very good for that system. But I don't think he would be good in any system. And I don't think he is as good as McCord. That isn't a knock on him. I'll take a Hartman ever year. In his regular season Wake career he was 16-19 vs the P5. Only one of his 5 years was he .500 or better. He was also 2-2 in Bowl games vs P5 teams. For comparison the two years prior to Hartman, Wake was 8-10 vs the P5 in the regular season and 1-0 in Bowls. So basically the same. Heck you even concede that a mediocre QB was "just as good." If we agree that he is a very good college QB, it alone won't lead to Ws. [/QUOTE]