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Message: [QUOTE="Full_Rebar, post: 1387109, member: 3530"] People who think Shafer should get more time if he has 3 seasons where he made one bowl game (on the final play) would be accepting mediocrity (or worse). I'm saying that not making a bowl game and not showing demonstrated offensive improvement should signal time for a change. Of course I am speaking in terms of what-if scenario, isn't that the point of this thread? When is a reasonable time frame to admit that you might be able to do better? How long does a coach need to get for his staff, his system, his recruits, to produce results against a realistic schedule? [/QUOTE]