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Message: [QUOTE="baggerbob, post: 1387808, member: 164"] At 25 years, you weren't even here for the beginning of either Ben, or Mac, and that's probably just as well. You would have been saying they should have been replaced, before we got to 1959, or 1987. Ben had 2 good years in his first 9, and Mac had 1 bowl game in his first 6. Ben's season 11 we went 11-0, Mac's season 7 we went 11-0-1. Come back in a couple of years, and then I'll talk to you, until then I'm done with this discussion. Yes you are a newbie at 25 years, but that's what's fun, as you get older you develop patience, you realize nothing happens immediately. [/QUOTE]