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[QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 1463697, member: 2585"]
I'll take the bait.

I think, as always you can't just say "okay" or "decent" or "good" - those are all subjective terms. Especially arguing decent vs good (one tick apart from each other). What measure are we using "total defense" or "scoring defense" etc? Nationally or in conference? Relative to our talent (do we play above our recruiting ranking)? If you finish in the top 30 of 100+ teams, that's in the top 1/3 of all D1. Is that "decent" or "good"?

It's not enough to say "our D has lost us some games"... Did the offense not play at all? How about special teams? We know that offenses and defenses play different with a lead vs being behind. How does that factor?

I think if you combine all of Shafer's years you'd find one bad D, a bunch of decent, and a few good years. I'd even call 2010 a very good year (#7 nationally in overall D). The numbers bear this out. [B]So I'd pick somewhere between decent and good.[/B]

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This is not an answer to the original point but I think what people are talking about is trust. Which side of the ball have you trusted more in the Marrone/Shafer era? Which side needs fixing? Has the D been good enough to be a bowl team?

That's obvious. And that's why I think if we see a DECENT offense (60-40) and modest slippage from our D (35-45) - we'll see Shafer and company back next season.
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