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I too would be ashamed to have my name displayed on the back of PSU

SU68 said:
Give it a rest. Penn State is a fine school. Should SU take the names off the basketball jerseys because of Bernie Fine and academic cheating?
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Not proud of it, but I can live with the academic scandal. I would no longer be a Syracuse fan if what happened at Penn State happened at Syracuse and we didn't have a serious housecleaning and culture change. Bernie Fine and Jerry Sandusky is not even close to being a similar comparison.
 
SU68 said:
Give it a rest. Penn State is a fine school. Should SU take the names off the basketball jerseys because of Bernie Fine and academic cheating?
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PSU put the names on the jerseys to make a change from the Paterno days. Removing them is a return to that painful past. Most here suspect that within a couple of years they will prove that nothing was learned from that horrific situation. This is what retro44 was referring to.

Syracuse's situation was orders of magnitude different, in several different axes.

If something like the Sandusky situation were to occur at my alma mater, I would want the program shut down for 2 years and everyone who could've/should've known removed from the program. It would be a long road back, but it would be the only decent way to start over.

I'm sure that most normal PSU students and faculty are fine people. They just need to own the fact that their system allowed a horrible situation to occur, to be sustained and to be covered up. Not enough of them do. If they did that, they'd behave differently than what we're seeing now.
 
#WeAre












...clowns and a moralless institution. PSU.
 
SU is in denial if we continue to try to point awkward fingers at PSU. "You were worse than Fine!" Let it rest. Both individuals are absolutely disgusting.
 
Orangepace said:
SU is in denial if we continue to try to point awkward fingers at PSU. "You were worse than Fine!" Let it rest. Both individuals are absolutely disgusting.
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This is a fundamental misreading of the two situations.

Keep in mind that one is in jail. And that he had multiple victims. And that the coach, AD both knew something and did nothing. It happened on campus with an eye witness. The fans there are in denial.

All of that is different than what happened here.
 
I'm sorry that I got everyone's panties in a twist with my comment. I just get tired of the piling on because it's "cool" and the general snarkiness found in most blogs. The point that I was trying to make is that Penn State main campus has over 47,000 students and an additional number of faculty and support staff. PSU has the largest alumni association in the world. It has the largest student-run philanthropy in the world (childhood cancer). It has a renown medical school and two law schools. BTW, the last U.S. News ranking had PSU tied at #48 while SU was tied at #58. I just don't think it's right to tar all of that for the actions of -- what? -- six men.

Contrary to popular opinion, Joe Paterno, when he was told by the assistant coach of Sandusky's crime, reported it to the Senior Vice President (one of the six) who just happened to be in charge of the police department. Under PA statute (Section 2416.1 of the Administrative Code of 1929 (Act 57 of 1997) and Section 2416.1 Campus Police Powers and Duties). They have the same police powers as the police departments in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. You can argue that Paterno should have gone public when there was apparently no response to his report, but to say that he didn't do anything is pure, unadulterated B.S.
 
The penny state bs needs to stop. It's theat simple. One individual did something monstrously horrific. Then Paterno and a few others covered it up, or at a minimum seriously misunderstood the ramifications off hat was happening.

As to the poster who said culture change was mandatory, hello they fired everybody (rightfully so) who's left that was even around at the time of the Sandusky scandal, the tennis coach? Everybody is gone. Everything PSU did is over. This is an academic institution that deserves respect for all the good they do in the real world beyond sports.

You wanna be pissed there sports programs are better than ours, fine. Don't be pissy about it and blame it on a horrific event that also happened to coincide with a sports program. Penn State isn't the same place it was, but guess what it's still a football powerhouse that has one of the craziest atmospheres in college football.

If you wanna get pissy fine, but don't clutter up our board with the FU Penn State you dirty rapists crap. It's over, move on. Like the other guy said, we aren't a clean university, we don't even have the right to point fingers and pretend we are morally superior so shut the hell up, or complain privately in your own damn minds.
 
The two people upset about piling on PedSt. have written about 5 times as much as the people who are supposedly getting their panties in a bunch because we bought into all the media hype.

I apologize. Sometimes the good that an organization does is far greater than caring about some poor disadvantaged kids.
 
Wonder what would happen if i brought JoePa beers to the Fine Mess
 
qdawgg said:
The two people upset about piling on PedSt. have written about 5 times as much as the people who are supposedly getting their panties in a bunch because we bought into all the media hype. I apologize. Sometimes the good that an organization does is far greater than caring about some poor disadvantaged kids.
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I can't tell if your being serious or not?

Poor disadvantaged kids? How about innocent victims horribly abused, followed by a coverup by the institution where it happened? Poor and disadvantaged kids got put in that position in the name of a well thought of former coach - and was allowed on campus by the HC.

No hype is large enough, nor good works good enough to make what happened on that campus something to be forgotten, glossed over, or minimized in the name of a damn sport.

If more Penn St fans held that view, it would be easier to see them grow past it. That there is any denial makes me wish for the worst for that program. And I have family who are alumni.
 
SU68 said:
I'm sorry that I got everyone's panties in a twist with my comment. I just get tired of the piling on because it's "cool" and the general snarkiness found in most blogs. The point that I was trying to make is that Penn State main campus has over 47,000 students and an additional number of faculty and support staff. PSU has the largest alumni association in the world. It has the largest student-run philanthropy in the world (childhood cancer). It has a renown medical school and two law schools. BTW, the last U.S. News ranking had PSU tied at #48 while SU was tied at #58. I just don't think it's right to tar all of that for the actions of -- what? -- six men.

Contrary to popular opinion, Joe Paterno, when he was told by the assistant coach of Sandusky's crime, reported it to the Senior Vice President (one of the six) who just happened to be in charge of the police department. Under PA statute (Section 2416.1 of the Administrative Code of 1929 (Act 57 of 1997) and Section 2416.1 Campus Police Powers and Duties). They have the same police powers as the police departments in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. You can argue that Paterno should have gone public when there was apparently no response to his report, but to say that he didn't do anything is pure, unadulterated B.S.
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I think it's the 'Cult of Joe' that most people object to. The blind love they show for someone who, at best, looked the other way is very disturbing, at least to me. "Well, sure, we had a major p e d o p h i l i a case that lasted years, but don't say anything bad about our JoePa - he's a saint!"
 
TexanMark said:
Yes, Fine is sitting in the Pen right now...one was convicted in the public and by trial...the other only convicted by ESPN and 4 suspect characters.
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Where there's smoke, there's fire. Something happened and truthfully, I don't want or need to know the story. Bernie may only not be behind bars because of statute of limitations. Either way, why can our fanbase not take the high road with regards to PSU folks. It's beyond ridiculous to see people over here bringing the subject up. The thing that makes me laugh more than anything is the hatred spewed towards any PSU alumn/fan who still backs Paterno. Would our fanbase completely chastise JB if Fine's situation ended similarly to Paternos? Rhetorical question and don't really want an answer, because I don't want to keep going back and forth debating this. The whole topic disgusts me.
 
Orangepace said:
Would our fanbase completely chastise JB if Fine's situation ended similarly to Paternos? Rhetorical question and don't really want an answer, because I don't want to keep going back and forth debating this. The whole topic disgusts me.
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But they didn't end similarly. That's the difference. Conviction > > > > > > > > hearsay. Even if you don't want to hear it, fans that still support Paterno are deluded scum.

I suggest that the next time you see a thread clearly about PSU, don't click on it. Save yourself the aggravation.
 
We turn a blind eye to players hitting women, but that's much more socially acceptable.
 
TheCusian said:
I can't tell if your being serious or not?

Poor disadvantaged kids? How about innocent victims horribly abused, followed by a coverup by the institution where it happened? Poor and disadvantaged kids got put in that position in the name of a well thought of former coach - and was allowed on campus by the HC.

No hype is large enough, nor good works good enough to make what happened on that campus something to be forgotten, glossed over, or minimized in the name of a damn sport.

If more Penn St fans held that view, it would be easier to see them grow past it. That there is any denial makes me wish for the worst for that program. And I have family who are alumni.
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Seriously!!! You read what I had written above and then didn't realize I was being sarcastic to the clowns who continue to defend PedSt. Maybe you should have gotten clarification of my position before going off on me when you were completely wrong.

:bang::bang::bang:
 
How many children did Sandusky sodomize on campus after Saint JoePa was informed of Sandusky's "activities" in 1998. If the answer is zero we should not be complaining about their morals. If the answer is anything other than zero (and it is), joepa is as guilty as Sandusky. So what did Penn State do in response, once joepa had been let go? They hired the Athletic director that found a way to keep Jameis Winston eligible and they hired the football coach who found a way to keep a player eligible after he had been accused of rape, with rumors of witness tampering by James Franklin. There are no similarities between what happened at Penn State and the Bernie Fine case.
 
qdawgg said:
Seriously!!! You read what I had written above and then didn't realize I was being sarcastic to the clowns who continue to defend PedSt. Maybe you should have gotten clarification of my position before going off on me when you were completely wrong. :bang::bang::bang:
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My fault. Didn't read the sarcasm. I apologize.
 
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