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Message: [QUOTE="LeMoyneCuse, post: 5055944, member: 158"] What do you consider "our backyard?" Upstate NY? There have been 18 P4 commits out of the whole state above Rockland and Westchester between 2019 - 2024. That's like 3 commits a year - not something you can rely on, even if you get them all. NYC? Rutgers is 40 miles away and Penn State, Maryland, and BC are shorter drives than Syracuse. New Jersey? See above. This post has no grounding on reality. [/QUOTE]