If SU is planning on extending HC Marrone's contract

[ImperialOrange]

what better time than the present? Longest tenured BE coach, openings on the staff, improving recruiting, facilities upgrades imminent, and a move to the ACC on the horizon.

I'd give him at least 2 more years immediately to ensure stability for both recruits and potential coaching hires. Last thing we want to do is break stride and enter the ACC in coaching turmoil.

 

[orangenauburn]

Agreed. Extend it two years now

 

[JrodCuse]

It would be stupid not to, given everything going on around us.

 

[Rocco]

Yep extending him through 2014 or 2015 would say alot to recruits and HS coaches.

 

[OttoForLife]

I'll flip it on you to say, it would be a waste for HCDM's agent not to be dry humping Gross right now about an extension.

 

[kcsu]

I really dont understand why anyone would give an extension to any coach who closed the season with a 5 game losing streak, and has had a fair share of off field problems and players leaving the program that make little if no sense. We are a great program with a great future. The ACC provides stability, financial resources and exposure that we havnt enjoyed for years. I have said too many times for some that if Doug gets off to a good start im sure he will recieve a nice extension from Gross. If however he doesnt i think that the best thing Gross can do is to let the season play out prior to making a decision. In the event we were to have another melt down next year would you really want to be stuck for another 3-5 years? Trust me with the ACC deal done we would not have any trouble finding another coach with an equal or better resume. Last point is that just because we give Doug an extension now will mean little or nothing to recruits if we have another losing season. Stability in a losing program doesnt do much for you. I hope that Doug knocks the cover off the start of the season and is rewarded with an extension for the right reasons.

 

[rosconey]

extension should be earned not given-

even with acc money su cant afford to pay 2 coach's if marrone was given more years and keeps the same level of coaching

 

[ImperialOrange]

extension should be earned not given-

Past 3 years SU has won 17 games

Prior 3 years SU had won 9 games

That's tangible progress. Going from 3 wins per season to ~6 leads me to believe it is not a stretch for him to get to 8 win per year average. Would you be satified with that currently? Would I? Those are the tough questions but I would take 22-24 wins in the next 3 years and be happy.

Giving a 2 year extension would put him at 7 total years or when his 3rd (last years recruting class) are academic seniors. That's a fair enough sample size to indicate where the program would be heading under his watch especially since recruiting is just getting caught up.

Even in the ACC, SU is not going to be some hot spot that big name coaches want to go to AND stay. Wouldn't it be more prudent then, to give a bit longer leash to someone that has proven capable of some level of success and willing to stay even if he takes that success level higher?

 

[rosconey]

Past 3 years SU has won 17 games

Prior 3 years SU had won 9 games

That's tangible progress. Going from 3 wins per season to ~6 leads me to believe it is not a stretch for him to get to 8 win per year average. Would you be satified with that currently? Would I? Those are the tough questions but I would take 22-24 wins in the next 3 years and be happy.

Giving a 2 year extension would put him at 7 total years or when his 3rd (last years recruting class) are academic seniors. That's a fair enough sample size to indicate where the program would be heading under his watch especially since recruiting is just getting caught up.

Even in the ACC, SU is not going to be some hot spot that big name coaches want to go to AND stay. Wouldn't it be more prudent then, to give a bit longer leash to someone that has proved capable of some level of success and willing to stay even if he takes that success level higher?

did you forget about how we finished this season? 5 game loss streak and a clubhouse in turmoil -

marrone has just as many negatives as positives imho

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Not a fan of extensions for recruiting purposes or for perception reasons, I agree with KC, a good start next year and absolutely. The 5 game meltdown can't be rewarded or ignored

 

[ImperialOrange]

did you forget about how we finished this season? 5 game loss streak and a clubhouse in turmoil -

marrone has just as many negatives as positives imho

No but I don't completely write off every game prior to those 5 either. Losing puts any clubhouse in turmoil, especially with alot of younger guys. When we were winning the year prior with veteran players there weren't those same issues. Big part of that may be the fact that they had endured some horrendous seasons prior to Marrone whereas the new guys have not.

I see the negatives as well and I get what you're saying but I kind of look it in terms of investing. After the WVU game nobody would be selling despite Marrone saying "we're nowhere close to there yet". Future looked pretty solid at that moment before the late season collapse. Selling now would be selling low. May as well give sufficient time to fully realize that potential. I don't see anyway Marrone leaving after his initial 5 years leaves SU football in a better position than if it happened 2 years later. Price is low, buy more and hope for better returns based on glimpses in past performance. Low risk, high reward at this point.

At the very least he's raised the floor and best case is he's nowhere close to his ceiling. I'd personally like to see what he can do with the new/upgraded facilities in place.

 

[echosofmanley]

what better time than the present? Longest tenured BE coach, openings on the staff, improving recruiting, facilities upgrades imminent, and a move to the ACC on the horizon.

I'd give him at least 2 more years immediately to ensure stability for both recruits and potential coaching hires. Last thing we want to do is break stride and enter the ACC in coaching turmoil.

Extended? Winning record or fired this year.
How many coaches under exact same cirumstances wouldnt do as well or better?

 

[JackBauer44]

I really dont understand why anyone would give an extension to any coach who closed the season with a 5 game losing streak, and has had a fair share of off field problems and players leaving the program that make little if no sense. We are a great program with a great future. The ACC provides stability, financial resources and exposure that we havnt enjoyed for years. I have said too many times for some that if Doug gets off to a good start im sure he will recieve a nice extension from Gross. If however he doesnt i think that the best thing Gross can do is to let the season play out prior to making a decision. In the event we were to have another melt down next year would you really want to be stuck for another 3-5 years? Trust me with the ACC deal done we would not have any trouble finding another coach with an equal or better resume. Last point is that just because we give Doug an extension now will mean little or nothing to recruits if we have another losing season. Stability in a losing program doesnt do much for you. I hope that Doug knocks the cover off the start of the season and is rewarded with an extension for the right reasons.

You have said in numerous posts that if "you were in SUs position" you would give Doug an extension. Why the change in tune?

 

[rosconey]

winning breeds stability-

 

[kcsu]

You have said in numerous posts that if "you were in SUs position" you would give Doug an extension. Why the change in tune?

Not true at all i have always felt that Doug should earn the extension. Yes i want him to do well as i think he is a good guy, although a little stubborn. The last thing i want is for him to fail other than being stuck with a failing coach for the next 4-5 years

 

[ImperialOrange]

How many coaches under exact same cirumstances wouldnt do as well or better?

None currently looking for a coaching job. Mark Richt and Dabo Swinney are the last two I can think of that pulled off seasons to keep their jobs.

Meanwhile Zook had 6 years to compile a 34-51 recond at Illinois and get the door. Gill got 2 seasons to go 5-19 and get fired from Kansas, and Erikson went 31-30 in 5 seasons at ASU before receiving das boot.

Interestingly enough, 2 of those 3 might be names mentioned if/when we're looking for a new coach. Curious if either have received any calls from NJ recently.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

IO- you stirred up a troll's nest.

Extend HCDM now.

 

[echosofmanley]

We need guys who have never played at Cuse to come through big.

If this year tanks- DB, DE, and WR could be bad . Lets go with Addazzio.

 

[ImperialOrange]

IO- you stirred up a troll's nest.

Extend HCDM now.

Wasn't my intent but based on all the things in flex right (PSU, RU, ACC, Facilities, Recruiting) now I feel it would be the best thing for SU to do. Give Marrone a few years of D1 facilities to recruit with, plus potential renewed casual fan interest with new conference games coming to the dome.

 

[ImperialOrange]

We need guys who have never played at Cuse to come through big.

If this year tanks- DB, DE, and WR could be bad . Lets go with Addazzio.

Curious to exactly what Addazio has done to warrant your vote of confidence?

 

[echosofmanley]

Curious to exactly what Addazio has done to warrant your vote of confidence?

Curious to exactly what Marrone has done to warrant your vote of confidence?

I want to believe.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Curious to exactly what Marrone has done to warrant your vote of confidence?

I want to believe.

Doubled our win total in his 3 years, from the 3 years prior to his hire. Won more games in the past year than the final 2 years of coach P.

Assembling a team that looks less like a High School team and more like a D1 football team (albeit a raw D1 football team).

Identifying recruits early that other schools not named Akron want to cherry pick late in the game.

I'm not 100% Marrone is the answer yet either, but at this point I'm hard pressed to find anyone that I think would have greater chance of success given SU's current place in the football world.

Again, what has a guy like Addazio proven that makes a better bet than Marrone at this point? And if he was wildly successful why would he stay?

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Again, what has a guy like Addazio proven that makes a better bet than Marrone at this point? And if he was wildly successful why would he stay?

Yeah. And Addazio didn't exactly prove himself as an offensive wizard at Florida after Mullen left.

 

[echosofmanley]

Doubled our win total in his 3 years, from the 3 years prior to his hire. Won more games in the past year than the final 2 years of coach P.

Assembling a team that looks less like a High School team and more like a D1 football team (albeit a raw D1 football team).

Identifying recruits early that other schools not named Akron want to cherry pick late in the game.


Again, what has a guy like Addazio proven that makes a better bet than Marrone at this point? And if he was wildly successful why would he stay?

Guess our expectations are different. Is it bromance?
Your above reasons should be a given. Are things that bad.

Dont get bogged down on Addazzio. Under your above criteria, the candidate pool just got huge.

Anyway, signing day coming up. Plenty of time to finish this conversation later.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Guess our expectations are different. Is it bromance?
Your above reasons should be a given. Are things are bad.

Dont get bogged down on Addazzio. Under your above criteria, the candidate pool just got huge.

Anyway, signing day coming up. Plenty of time to finish this conversation later.

Fair enough. FWIW, I'm not sure our expectations are any different just potentially the time frame expected for SU to get there. Right now treading water looks alot better than it did when we were drowning.