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Message: [QUOTE="SU94, post: 1573587, member: 202"] Agreed. If Clemson losses, 30-28, on a late field goal, they are still a top 4 team IMHO. One side note, everyone demerits UNC because of the two FBS games. But they are one of a precious few P5 teams that played TWO non-conference P5 games. Lost to South Carolina and destroyed Illinois. Let's put it this way ... if Oklahoma or Bama or LSU had one loss, in the first game of the season, they'd be in. I mean, OU is already assumed "in" and they lost to 4-7 Texas. But, they are a name brand in football. And that carries weight, unfortunately. Meanwhile, UNC is whipping the crap our of everyone. I see Saturday's game with Clemson as a pick 'em. [/QUOTE]