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Message: [QUOTE="SUFan44, post: 4117927, member: 39"] There's a direct correlation between talent and winning. There's not a whole lot of correlation between man vs. zone and winning. At least I don't think. Tough to prove. We haven't had a first-round draft pick in what will be 5 years in June. That has more to do with us not winning than anything else. Even though they both flamed out, Lydon & Richardson - the last two 1st rounders - led a team to the Final Four. Dream run, but a Final Four isn't a fluke. That team also won with defense. Ranked 18th in the country in DEfficiency. The problem is we don't have the players. Man or zone. The players are out there to recruit and win with whatever defense you have. We just have not identified the right ones, or haven't gotten enough of them. This team is comprised of 6th men type players on good SU teams, who are playing 35 minutes per game. Need far better talent regardless of defense to win. [/QUOTE]