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Message: [QUOTE="Finwad32, post: 1650597, member: 651"] I, too, disagree with the first 3 things you mention, I would never do those things. But, having open dialogue about teammates isn't always a bad thing. The only specific example I can think of is Vanderjagt, who was an idiot. The trainers thing is here say, and as far as being a sore loser, so he walked off pissed off a couple times, so what? I can name 30 x's the examples where he showed more grace under fire than 99.5 % of the league's talent, The HGH stuff, as you said, nothing but allegations. [/QUOTE]