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Message: [QUOTE="SoBeCuse, post: 2221341, member: 796"] The thing I like about Thorpe is that he worked with Rod Strickland I believe at USF. Hard to tell if he possibly mailed it in some because the team was so bad. I'll take his skills though over Frank, Washington, or a 2017 Ayala. I would think the learning the zone issue is a case by case situation. Also, it comes down to effort. Gillon/Frank gave mostly poor efforts on D. It would've been poor in M2M too, imo. [/QUOTE]