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Message: [QUOTE="Stern, post: 298167, member: 527"] It's still a stupid stance to take. It's beyond stupid! Saban was only a head coach in the NFL for 2 years and he had 15-17 record. It wasn't like he was god awful. And it wasn't like he was coaching some great group either. He walked into a bad situation and made it somewhat better, decided he hated the NFL and went back to college. He took a mediocre to bad team and had them playing essentially .500 ball over the course of 2 seasons. And if his entire stance hinges on "Pete Carroll" then its a weak and DUMB stance. And lets also point out when Saban went to LSU they were 3-8, the next year they were 8-4. And he built them from the ground up!! They weren't a football factory!! NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! And at Alabama it wasn't like Alabama was a football factory at the time. He took over a team coming off a losing season in 2006. And in 2004 they were 6-6. Same for Carroll, the year before he took over USC they were 6-6. And the year before that they were a whopping 8-5. [B]These places BECAME football factory's because they are great coaches. [/B]They weren't football factories before they got there!! If you and OPA honestly believe that Nick Saban, Pete Carroll, and Chip Kelly are average or mediocre football coaches and aren't great, you know little to nothing about college football or football in general. Nick Saban turned around Mich St, LSU, and Alabama. They didn't fire their coaches coming off great seasons, they went to bad situations and made them football factories. And this notion that there is cheating in college and NOT the NFL and Saban so called "failed" there so he sucks as a coach or is just average...uh, Spygate!! HELLO!! Does that mean Belichick can't coach either because he cheated? [/QUOTE]

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