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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 1237073, member: 4809"] well i guess us oldies are out of date with our traditions such as unis, orangemen, etal what it tells me is that you are unaware of tradition as it applies to us. tradition means having a good foundation. we had a BRAND as the newbies call it now---it was orangemen and orange color, your definition of brand is not related to su or discernible to syracuse in anyway, and is now a laughing stock of a program in search of an identity. enjoy it, us oldies find it more sad than anything else. there is a way to grow to keep up with times and su has not done so. foundation is the best way --we gave that up----go orange pa [/QUOTE]