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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 1237192, member: 4809"] and i hear you. tradition is not just the guys who played in the 50's and 60's but rather a consistent identity that says who we are. you are right kids are a what have you done for me lately. what makes programs stand out is an identity that we have lost, through a lack of investment in the program for many years, changes in unis that have no relevance to the school, and losing program. we need to get back to basics and unis, among other things, are a part of that. marrone was on the right track, had the attitude and the focus. with the ipf and the statues that they are talking about are finished it will be a celebration of tradition, together with the history already on display. i somewhat disagree, that all kids are like you say, and would respect what they may see. we will never be michigan, alabama, blah,blah etc. but we can be syracuse orangemen---who people used to recognize and not laugh at us [/QUOTE]