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Message: [QUOTE="money3189, post: 1523178, member: 436"] I see effort on the field. Those players play their ass off for him. They love Shafer. They just have come up short the last two games. I see young players just trying to figure how to close games out. I dont hear anything negative about him from players. I dont see players calling him out on social media like other schools. I dont see regression. I see a coach trying to build a program that can be ACC ready for a long time not just for 1 or 2 years. He's been coaching kids with Big East abilty. Its evident because of the amount of freshmans and sophomores who have passed upperclassmen on the depth chart. The one area where its hard to pass people is the O line. Thats the only reason why Robinson, Trudo and Palmer are still on the field. We dont have the players or the depth to consistently win right now. Thats what I see. [/QUOTE]