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Message: [QUOTE="orangesox44, post: 845099, member: 2407"] Just from a quick search online because it sounded like your numbers were off. Mine may be off a little bit as well, as a list of all time nfl players I found didn't have anyone from 2010 on in it, but that's still irrelevant when you look at my numbers. Current NFL players: Cuse 12. Minn 4 All time nfl players: Cuse 234. Minn 230 NFL HOF: Cuse 7. Minn 6 All time win percentage: Cuse .580. Minn .571 Bowl record: Cuse 14-9. Minn 5-10. *we almost have as many bowl wins as you have appearances. Consensus All-Americans: Cuse 42. Minn 33 At least your numbers are close in football and it's a good argument. But, Why would you even bring up basketball? I'm not even gonna waste my time addressing that. [/QUOTE]