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Message: [QUOTE="DynstyUgrl, post: 849656, member: 4137"] The reason I don't like coming up with a starting point like 1950, is its too far back, honestly. I wasn't even born until 1967 and didn't start following cfb until the 70s. NOTHING that happened back then is relevant to what is going on now. Even going back more than 10 years, is very irrelevant. Even 5 years can be irrelevant, as not a single player on a team then is there now. So 2 years maybe, last year, sure, and definitely this year. I'm a history buff, and the thing is, if you are going to go back any further than 5-10 years, you have to go all the way back, otherwise where do you start and how do you figure that out? There is no way of doing it in a way that is fair to all concerned unless you go all the way back to the beginning. My reasoning for thinking this is because I am a fan of the Coaching trees. Henry Williams was coach of the Minnesota Gophers until 1921. Several of his players went out into the cfb world as coaches, and one example, Bernie Bierman was one of his players, and guess who played for Bernie Bierman? Bud Wilkinson. And one of his asst coaches was Biggie Munn. And Biggie Munn and Ossie Solem, another Gopher, were on at least one coaching staff together, I believe, and they both went and coached at Syracuse. One of Biggie Munn's players went on to coach MSU to their titles in the 60's, and so on and so on. Cal Stoll played for Bernie Bierman I believe, and Tony Dungy and Marc Trestman were players for Cal Stoll I believe. Bud Grant played for Bernie Bierman as well. I could go on for days telling you about all of the interconnectedness of it all. Great coaches usually played for great coaches. And the mission of a university/college is to train young men and women to go out into the world and contribute to the world, or at least to be able to get a job out in the world. Well, coaching is a job, first of all, and its a way to contribute and to give back, to teach and lead others, to help influence a generation. And the superstars of the 70's that I grew up watching on tv, played their college ball back in the 50s and 60s, and the coaches sometimes traced back as far as the 40s, so I think the best way to honor them is to honor their teams and their coaches, who played and coached even further back. And so on and so forth. So saying that starting at 1950 is a good starting point, only works for programs who did very little to help develop the sport of cfb, its robbing all of the schools who made significant contributions to what we call cfb today. [/QUOTE]

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